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Tara Macri after becoming a recipient of the Mary Savidge Award at the Stratford Festival, headed to Broadway, then performed in Hairspray along-side Nick Jonas and John Stamos at Hollywood Bowl.

Through to being the voice of Young Tigeress in Kung Fu Panda: Secrets of the Scroll.

More recently seen in an awarding performance, in the film Outcry and joined us on back of a brand new music offering…

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Tara Macri‘s latest Single is Waking Up In California out through 10 Count Records.

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John Murch:
Tara Macri, welcome to radionotes.

Tara Macri:
Thanks for having me, John.

John Murch:
The new song, where were you when this song was being written?

Tara Macri:
I think we all went through some changes in every industry and I was during Covid doing some films. I have another project coming out and so I was doing music and I was writing every day, but nothing was exciting me for some reason. And one day I woke up and this song just kind of came out and it’s about, like I say in the song, roll the top down, let’s just drive. It’s about just throwing caution to the wind and chasing after your dreams and achieving it. And I think during Covid, a lot of us have kind of sat back on, “Is this what I want to do?” People changed. And for me, myself, I knew that I still wanted to continue to do what I love and how much I missed it. That’s where the song came from.

John Murch:
Team behind this song, got some longtime collaborators as I think also some new blood involved in this song as well.

Tara Macri:
Yeah, so Garen who produced the song I’ve written, he actually produced a song before Baby You Got Me. I work with Garen and I love him so much. Jaylene I’ve been working with for years and she’s a really good friend and so it happened really organically and I called Garen one day. I was like, “I got this song.” He’s like, “Finally,” and ready to go. You’ll also see there Chris Lord-Alge. He’s mixed. I mean I love Chris so much and he’s been a huge supporter of mine and he’s been involved in all the mixes of all the songs. So this was a great team. There was a great collaboration.

John Murch:
And I’d like to mention these people who do the mastering, Ted Jensen, and what happens at the Sterling Sounds.

Tara Macri:
Yeah, those guys are awesome. Again, I was connected to them, through Chris because Chris does a lot of all the songs that Chris does, so he recommended them. It’s just, yeah, it’s amazing to work with them.

John Murch:
And you are on an LA indie based label. Can you talk to us about how 10 Count fits into the picture of what you’re trying to achieve as a musician?

Tara Macri:
They have been an amazing support, especially at… Do you know when you’re at a major label you’re restricted at what can do and they are … to everything. For me, they’ve been supportive not just with music career, but also my acting and my voiceover because I still continue to do all of that. I just find it so cathartic to be creative in all types of ways, whether it’s writing a song, performing, doing the voiceover, acting. They also recently had partnered with me on a… Co-wrote a pilot coming out to comedy. It was the first time I was an executive producer on it and starred in it. And so that has been something. Been challenging myself and taking on other projects, not just music, which is my love.

John Murch:
Tara, you were talking about other projects and one that’s quite an award winning one is called Outcry. It’s a movie. It’s a film. I’ve seen the trailer. It’s pretty intense.

Tara Macri:
Yeah, well it is a psychological thriller. I don’t know how much I can say without giving anything away about it, but that was such a fun experience and you’re right, it was dark, which I think drew me to it because I am such a positive person. The role that I played, she was really complex and I got to do so much with that short amount of time. Cause it is a short and also got to work with Mike Starr and Dash’s grandfather is Sean Connery. So I mean just working with both of those guys as a three hander was a lot of fun. Challenging too.

John Murch:
It was a three hander? That’s what I was wondering because what I saw, it felt very much like the theatre in terms of a three hander.

Tara Macri:
We didn’t rehearse, I didn’t even meet Mike until our first scene, which was the phone call because the director, he’s very old school. He’s like, “Okay, if this takes place at two o’clock in the morning, then that’s when the scene is going to take place.” And I was like, “Oh my gosh.” We were all really generous with each other and accommodating.
If someone wants to run lines and you run lines, I’m the type of person that will run lines until it’s in you so that when you’re out there I can really, well first of all, play with the other actor and really listen to what they’re doing. Because things will change when you’re in the moment. They might throw something at you where you’re like, “Okay, I didn’t even think about that.” Get as much as you can from the experience. So work with the director and see what you’ve come to the table with your idea. And working with Patrick was incredible because he really let us do our thing and just occasionally would come in and throw in a couple different ideas.

John Murch:
During another acting role of yours and particularly in that of voice, which you’ve done some wonderful voice work for the 100 years of Wellbeing Jamieson, but that of Kung Fu Panda, what you were able to do with your voice was to actually physically play out the role that you were doing as a Tigress.

Tara Macri:
Yeah, that was one of my favourite experiences. The whole team over at Dreamworks, I mean they’re so amazing to work with and the director, Randolph, who I worked with, he had been part of the Kung Panda team for over 10 years, right when it started. So this was a prequel to number 1, 2, 3. So he really just knew so much about it. He loved it so much. So working with that team… And it was physical. Being in the booth, when you see me running, I’m watching the screen, watching what I’m doing physically and I’m running. When I was done that day, sweat was pouring down because you are so physical and I could go on about that experience. That was amazing.

John Murch:
Actually knowing your place within that kind of film because it is the voice and you just go in and do your part, I assume like one does for a voiceovering job.

Tara Macri:
Yeah, that is something that, when I was recording my part, I had the director standing to my right and I mean it’s a huge studio and you have everyone in the booth watching. Producers… And then on the left I’ve got the storyboard and they really go through everything so you understand the world that you’re in when you start and the movies I love so much and they have such a… Even as an adult, you can watch them, “Wow, there’s some great lessons in these.” So I really love being part of something telling that kind of story.

John Murch:
And when you’re literally communicating with a broom.

Tara Macri:
Yeah. Yes. Those are things you have to learn too. Not just saying the lines, There are things before the lines. You sometimes have to go take a breath before. One of the things I learned that day was Dustin Hoffman, he had a cold that day when he recorded, and so they kind of changed some of the scenes because his voice was a little raspy. So as you listen to it, those are real things that they put into it because of how he was feeling that day.

John Murch:
You started music, it’s reported at the age of two with your grandfather, by your grandfather teaching you three blind mice on an organ. Now organ to me would suggest maybe a church or a theatre.

Tara Macri:
I don’t remember too much back then, but what I’m told, what my parents have told me is I guess I was the first grandkid, so I got a lot of attention and just loved music from a young age. They said my parents saw how much I loved to move and to dance before I could speak. And so they threw me into that. And my grandfather was very musical. He was part of a church and I think that’s where he learnt all of his musical instruments. So he would teach me. He passed away when I was six, so before that I did get a lot of time with him and I guess that’s where it started as I said. They used to sit at the table and have Sunday dinners and I was the annoying child running around singing and making up songs.

John Murch:
Are you part of a big family, I guess in terms of siblings? You have the lawyer sister, who else is on board?

Tara Macri:
It’s just her. Her and I and yeah. And the many animals that we’ve accumulated because I’m a huge animal lover and have brought home a tonne of strays, even from Los Angeles. If there’s a stray, I literally have flown one home because I couldn’t keep the cat. And now my parents have the cat. And in Los Angeles I help support a couple different.. Bark ‘n’ Bitches. They’re rescuing dogs from Japan, everywhere.

John Murch:
Who’s the singing dog in your life?

Tara Macri:
Yeah, the one you see on my Instagram?

John Murch:
Mm-hmm.

Tara Macri:
I steal her. She’s my parents’ dog. She’s a Newfoundlander. Literally during Covid, I came back, spent some time, she was just a puppy, so I’ve grown quite attached to her. And yeah, she’s almost, I feel like the younger sister. She sleeps in my parents’ room. She is just like their child since my sister and I have moved. My sister’s in San Francisco, I’m in Los Angeles, so we’re kind of far away from them.

John Murch:
What drew you to America then? Was it Broadway?

Tara Macri:
Yeah. I don’t think I ever thought, “Oh hey, I want to move there.” I just started getting a lot of work there and that’s what happened. When I did Hairspray in Toronto, they brought me on tour and then to Broadway and from Broadway, Los Angeles. And it just kind of happened really organically. I also got to do Hairspray at the Hollywood Bowl, the iconic Hollywood Bowl, which was incredible. I mean, Hairspray opened so many doors for me. The creative team, the casting directors, even the cast, everyone was so close. That was such a great experience.

John Murch:
I’ve got in my notes someone called Nick Jonas.

Tara Macri:
Nick, I mean, he is so talented and such a professional and it was great working with Nick and since we’ve all worked together, everything else that he’s been doing with his own music, with his brothers, and what a talented guy.

John Murch:
First Wives Club, you played Alex in that. But I think also one of your songs got a bit of a feature as well?

Tara Macri:
Yeah. Based on the movie. And that was the first theatre production that Paramount got involved with. And they were producers on it. That was supposed to go to Broadway, but unfortunately, I’m not really sure if they’re still planning on doing it. But we did a workshop and then we did a full-on production in Chicago. I mean that was fun. You’re creating a show from the beginning, which I had never been a part of. Sometimes you join a company and the show is already established and you know what to do. People are like, “This is what you do here.” This was something where we all got to create together.

John Murch:
Possibly you were promoting This Crush at the time. That may have been what I’m thinking.

Tara Macri:
Oh yeah. Yeah, so I think I released that song, but that song was not in the musical.

John Murch:
The reason why I also ask that is because you’ve had such a huge array of areas that you’ve worked in, you can tap in that little bit of music where you need to or a little bit of the acting, which is a wonderful bouquet of skills to have. Another one I noted that you had, and maybe you stopped, is the boxing.

Tara Macri:
I had to stop because I played piano and guitar and I was getting bruised. I was wrapping properly, but I was loving it so much that they were nervous if I had a show coming up that I would break my hand or something. So I had to stop doing too many. But that is the best. You just can, whatever kind of day you’re having, a good day, a bad day, you just go and take it out on the bag. And I loved it. I think because I come from dancing all my life that that’s part of it. If I’m not physical every day, if I’m not creative every day, then I get a little grumpy. I got to exercise. I got some kind of outlet for me personally.

John Murch:
So lyric wise, does a run help the lyrical process?

Tara Macri:
When I run or when I drive for some reason that’s when the songs come. I’m not sure if… I don’t even know if part of your brain is doing something else, therefore the other is relaxed and then it leaves room and space for things to come in but I find that that’s when they come the quickest versus sitting down and being like, “Oh my gosh, I have to come up with it right now.” When I’m chill and when I’m thinking about things, that’s when it flows. Driving when there’s countryside and open space, I feel like that’s when creatively things pop in even quicker. And I don’t know what that’s about.

John Murch:
Headed over to America because of the Broadway opportunities that was there. What’s keeping you in America?

Tara Macri:
Definitely work, but I do come back to Toronto to do projects. And also the voiceover that you had mentioned, Jamieson, being part of that campaign is Canadian. And so I love Toronto, I love my home and I also love Los Angeles and New York. And I think that for me, I have a hard time sitting still. I like to keep moving and trying new things and pushing myself and being in Los Angeles and New York and then coming back home, all of it feeds into, I guess me not being able to sit still kind of.

John Murch:
Raptors versus the Clippers. I would be going for the Raptors, but that’s just me. How was it to sing the national anthem at that event?

Tara Macri:
Listen, I would’ve sang at the Raptors. Yeah. Had they said, “Hey, you’re singing at the Raptors.” I’d be like, “Let’s do it.” Because I am a huge Raptors fan. But then, yeah, there’s a little bit of… I’m torn because I’m also living in Los Angeles. There were some Raptors who were sitting in because later on… They were on the bench that wasn’t televised and they were there and I was like, “Oh my gosh, they’re here.” And I wanted so badly to go down and say hi, but I was nervous. So I just sang the anthem. But you always get nervous when you’re about to sing either anthem. It’s something that you know it a hundred percent, it’s just the nerves of…

John Murch:
Let’s talk about first concerts because in my notes I’ve got your first concert was Billy Joel and Elton John.

Tara Macri:
It was when they performed together in Toronto because my dad was a huge, huge fan of both of them. And so I grew up listening to both of them. And yeah, my dad was a musician, so his influences, he would play The Beatles and Elton John and Billy Joel and yeah, I remember them both at the piano too. I remember them both playing. They would take over and do duets on each other’s songs too. And it was great to hear how the other person would interpret a song that was so popular by the other one.

John Murch:
What’s your mindset for doing the live performance, particularly that with a crowd, which may not have happened recently and understandably, but what’s that mindset you take forward?

Tara Macri:
Yeah, I love having fun and connecting with… Hopefully people in the audience will also have a good time. We usually have dancers, we have backups, we do a huge production. I have a lot of tracks now. We’ve gone through different stages of what the live show will be. If it’s stripped down, how do we keep it full so that the songs can sound pretty much similar to the way it’s recorded, especially for people who’ve never heard my songs, if they’re coming to this show for the first time.
And then a lot of times too, what I like to do is just do a piano vocal or guitar vocal and strip it down. That’s something that I really admired from other artists like Amos Lee or Ray LaMontagne. I’ve gone to see them so many times and what’s so powerful is when they stand there and just sing the song from their heart with just their voice and their instrument.

John Murch:
I’m definitely going to check out Aos Lee based upon your recommendation. One that I’ve seen live was that of Grace Potter and the Nocturnals.

Tara Macri:
Oh, I love her. She has so much heart in her lyrics and it’s so funny you say, because I was a huge fan of her. And then I went to the Grammy’s one year and went to this Grammys after party and her and I were in line to the bathroom and we just started chatting. I had no idea it was Grace. She was so kind. She was like, “I love your dress.” And I’m like, “I love your dress.” Just a girl fanning out. And then we started talking and then after a while I was like, “Oh my gosh.” I was like, “You’re Grace Potter.” She goes, “Yeah.” I was like, “Yeah, I love you. You’re amazing.” She’s like, “Cool, cool.” And we chatted and how she was in that moment is how she’s in her music. She has this fierceness to her. There’s also some ballads that she does. Her voice is just… I mean she uses her full range.

John Murch:
Tara, what are you reading at the moment?

Tara Macri:
Oh my gosh. I’m rereading a book called A Prayer for Owen Meany. It’s a comedy. The book was given to me by one of my friends back in the day and I saw it sitting there and I was like, “Man, I’m going to reread this again.” And you forget so much. Oh, and the other one that I’m halfway through, I have a bunch on the go, oh my gosh, I can’t remember the name of this one right now, but it’s a thriller, a Canadian writer… Oh my gosh. I cannot… I see the book but I can’t recall. Oh anyways, I’m halfway through that one.

John Murch:
I understand that you prefer red wine. What’s your poison of choice? Is it wine or is it something else?

Tara Macri:
It’s wine, yes. I’m a huge cab. In particular, Caymus there’s any Caymus reps out there. I mean that is one of my favourite, a nice Caymus cab.

John Murch:
Boxing’s out because of the hands at the moment. So if you are keeping fit, how are you going about it?

Tara Macri:
So there’s this gym that if I’m in Toronto, I’ll work out. If I’m in Los Angeles, I do their online, it’s called One Academy and I do their workouts every day and it’s incredible. I do it online because if I’m travelling, which I am right now quite a bit, every day is a different trainer, a different class. These trainers are incredible because they’re so passionate about what they do and they really know how to do a different workout every single day. Some is cardio, some is a combination of strength training. So you’re working your muscles in a different way every day. I have my little barbells, my exercise bands. When I’m in Los Angeles, I do go to a yoga studio that is my favourite. It’s called Urban Exhale. They changed the name Urban 728 and that is like a hot yoga. I love it.

John Murch:
What do you get from hot yoga?

Tara Macri:
I get in really good workout, a physical workout and a mental workout because a teacher that I go to, his name is Joe Komar, I hope I’m saying his last name right. He just is so talented at taking you through the poses that you finish and you’re like, “Wow, that was a workout?” And you feel like you thought about a lot of things you reflected and most importantly your phone is put away.

John Murch:
Are you a journaler?

Tara Macri:
I used to. I feel like now it’s more song lyrics that come out. If something’s happening during the day, I’ll just turn it into… So I have a lot of notes but it’s not really… But I used to. Because I actually came home here and looked in, there’s a box full of just dates and I’m like, “Wow. I was feeling that and I don’t remember.” So…

John Murch:
Do you have a bit of a five year plan at the moment or how do you move yourself forward? What’s the step that Tara does to say, “Okay, well this is happening next?”

Tara Macri:
Yeah, I have it written down about all the things that I’d like to do. I would like to be doing another show in New York on Broadway. That’s something that I would love to do. Right now due to Covid, as you can tell, some shows are off, some shows have closed early. There are some shows in workshop state, but things are a little different and hopefully they’ll get back to a hundred percent and I would love to find myself back there.

John Murch:
What production do you have your mind set on at the moment?

Tara Macri:
Oh my gosh, there are so many great shows right now, but I would love to be part of a brand new show, just like we did with the First Wives Club where we build it from the ground up. I’ve also toyed with writing something that we could possibly turn into. But, I mean, that’s a five to seven year project that kind of, when you’re writing a show or trying to… I’ve talked to people who have done it and that’s even more work than just writing a song. But I don’t think there’s anything…
Obviously I’ve seen Moulin Rouge and that’s an amazing role. I’d love to do that. My friend Aaron, we met in New York and I’ve seen the production in New York and recently I saw it in Los Angeles, that touring production. It was just amazing. But then it’s a lot of hard work. It’s eight shows a week and you don’t really have an opportunity to do other things.
Right now I’m able to do a bunch of different things. Doing a show, you are very much, that is your life at that time. During the day, you have to be careful how much energy you exert to make sure you have enough energy for the show. And some days are two shows a day. So that is something that I’ll have to make sure that my schedule’s clear that I can do that for a while.

John Murch:
But doing eight shows a week, you still have Mondays and I believe you did something on Monday at the Rockwood.

Tara Macri:
That was doing my own music. So I was doing a show during the week and then that was an outlet for me to perform. And normally you’re resting on Mondays, but that was something I was writing during the day, doing shows at night.

John Murch:
Was that more of a singer songwriter kind of night though?

Tara Macri:
Yeah.

John Murch:
Yeah, because Monday I’m thinking might be a bit more of a slower night. Even though it was the only night you had available.

Tara Macri:
Definitely. But you know what was so cool is that a lot of my cast members came to the show and supported me. So that was cool.

John Murch:
Orphan Black, I believe is a TV show.

Tara Macri:
Yeah, it’s a TV show. One of my… She was an agent of mine back in the day, I think one of her clients, Tatiana got the role on that. And that is an amazing show. I believe it’s a BBC and CanCon production. I think that show is incredible.

John Murch:
For Prettiest Girl in the Room, Sarah Feeley was involved and from the behind the scenes, they seemed to be like the coolest human out.

Tara Macri:
Oh my gosh. I met Sarah through friends and we all became friends and when the song came out, she’s this amazing filmmaker, she’s done so many amazing productions and she’s like, “I’ll do the video.” I was like, “Okay, let’s go.” And she had this idea, the two girls who are in it now, I mean, I think they’re older now.
It was so wonderful to have these skateboard fierce girls, especially with the song Prettiest Girl in the Room and she came to me with the concept. Yeah, it was fun. What you see is exactly how it all went. That was such a fun experience. The video was incredible. And then the radio tour we did after, that was my first song that went to radio. So did the Top 40 thing and I got to tour and that was a lot of fun.

John Murch:
What’s the one place in the world you’d like to visit?

Tara Macri:
Italy. I’d love to go to Italy. My dad is Italian and so that’s been something… Before Covid, I was going to go and then Covid happened, so there’s a possibility I might go sooner than later, but Italy. I’d love to go.

John Murch:
Answer me this. Why did your dad give up the drums?

Tara Macri:
For my mom I hear.

John Murch:
She’s anti drums?

Tara Macri:
No, I think what happened is he met her and he loved it, but I don’t get the sense that since he doesn’t really play very much, that it was something where… Sometimes you’re like, “I have to do that. That is something that I have to do. There’s no other choice, no other option.” And he also was a runner. My dad was a runner and had a really good career with that before he injured his Achilles. He used to sprint and he was training with some pretty big guys for the Olympics. He was doing a lot of that when my sister and I were really young and he hurt himself.
And so he’s kind of super talented with music and with running and he is athletic and both he and my mom wanted to start a family and so he got a job and he’s been very successful with what he’s doing now. He’ll be retiring soon. But I think that was part of it. Both of them wanted to give what they could for my Sister and I.

John Murch:
Where would you like to wake up in the world?

Tara Macri:
Well, I do love waking up in California. I could say Australia. I’ve been to Australia actually. A long time ago.

John Murch:
What was the occasion for Sydney?

Tara Macri:
I had a friend who lived there actually. And so I went to visit.

John Murch:
What do you like cooking?

Tara Macri:
Everything. Pasta. It’s super easy. But I do these stuffed shells that’s really easy to do. When I’m in LA I go to Farmer’s Market every Sunday. I’m addicted to this lettuce place. They just have the best. You can taste it. Sometimes you go to the store, you get lettuce, “I can’t really taste it.” I get there early. I’m that person making sure because they run out.

John Murch:
Talk to us about that ritual of the Sunday market.

Tara Macri:
LA’s really quiet on Sunday mornings when you get out. I mean, I don’t even think people wake up before 10 and it’s just so quiet. 7 o’clock, it’s dead. Sometimes I walk to the market, then you get some breakfast down on Larchmont. It’s really the area that I go feels like a little bit of New York in Los Angeles. And you see the same people. There’s a dog, which obviously, I don’t mind.

John Murch:
What’s your dream pet?

Tara Macri:
I guess just to rescue an animal that needs a good home. As much as I love stealing my parents’ dog, one day when I’m not travelling so much, it’d be nice to just have an animal that needs a good life.

John Murch:
The new song that’s just been released, Waking up in California. This is a question I shouldn’t ask, but I’m feeling game so I will ask it. Do you, Tara, have a sense that this song should have commercial success or would you be happy if it just had wide listenership?

Tara Macri:
I would be happy with both. Everyone would love the commercial success. Everyone wants that. And because it does bring a lot of other opportunities. But I think releasing music, sometimes when you release a song, you never know what’s going to happen. With Prettiest Girl in the Room, that song actually was going to go to another artist that, a bigger artist that wanted to record it. In the end, they didn’t for some songwriting credit, whatever happened with that and I got to release it.
But everyone standing around it was like, “This is a hit. This is going to do this, this is going to do that.” And you never really know. So when you release a song, you hope all the amazing things can happen and you throw it out to the universe and then you say, “Yes, go and fly.” And you do the best job you can and hopefully it does and you work hard. And if it doesn’t, then you write another song.

John Murch:
Where would you Waking Up California to land in terms of that placement of a TV film or maybe commercial? I’m not going to judge.

Tara Macri:
Yeah, either or. I mean, I’d be happy with… A placement is a placement and that would be fantastic because it is… To have California, I talk about Sunset Boulevard and I mean it’d be cool if it was in one of those… What’s that TV show?

John Murch:
Californication?

Tara Macri:
No, it’s not around. But that would be amazing. Selling Sunsets. Wherever it lands, John, it would be incredible. I think for everyone involved too, because everyone works so hard. So it’s me, yes, and it’s my face on the album, but there’s so many people behind it that I feel like it’d be so cool to be like, “Hey, gee, guess what it got placed here.” That’d be awesome.

John Murch:
So Californian beef? Maybe not Californian beef.

Tara Macri:
I mean…

John Murch:
When did the vegetarian or veganism start for you?

Tara Macri:
Apparently I made that decision, my mom said I was really young and-

John Murch:
Five?

Tara Macri:
Something like that. Young. And she said, I saw something happen, I don’t really recall. And she just said I asked where that animal came from and my mom told me and then I just pushed it away and was like, “Nope, no, thank you.” So I think that that’s from my love of animals too. It started at a very young age.

John Murch:
You released a song called Meet Me on Mars. Any thoughts about changing that to Meet Me on the Moon?

Tara Macri:
I mean, I’m still hopeful that we’re going to get to Mars in our lifetime.

John Murch:
What’s your fascination, Tara, with Mars?

Tara Macri:
It’s Mars, it’s space, it’s the moon, it’s everything. I think those are the big questions that we all are fascinated with and especially now with the new telescope that they have. Every day, I’m kind of reading about all the… It makes you feel so small sometimes compared to what’s up there and how we got here. I don’t know. I know I’m getting a little maybe cheesy, but I turned the song into a fun pop song.

John Murch:
And more of a ballad that I was introduced to and I played on the radio back in the day, Cardboard Castles, that came past my desk, gave that spin on the wireless. It’s such a great number. We won’t live in the past too much in terms of music, but I want to ask about Cardboard Castles because I had you then, I would’ve asked, “what were you going through during Cardboard Castle’s time?”

Tara Macri:
Oh well, that was definitely a breakup song. We wrote that really quick. It was one session. I came into the studio with this breakup and that’s what came out. That was Cardboard Castles. And it was cool to see how it played on the Bold and the Beautiful. And it was about another couple breaking up on TV. So it was it fun to see that. On one of the episodes where there was a love triangle and the song got placed and was used. Yeah.

John Murch:
Very important those TV and of course film placements for songs. Are you still a romantic? Have you ever been a romantic?

Tara Macri:
Yes, definitely. Definitely. I know that a lot of my songs kind of fluctuate up and down, but a hundred percent, yes.

John Murch:
Tara Macri, thanks very much for joining radionotes.

Tara Macri:
Thank you, John, so much for having me.