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047 Molly Drag

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047 Molly Drag

Molly Drag is the creative output of Michael Charles Hansford who recently released an amazingly beautiful and deep record out through Egg Hunt Records called – Touchstone. Which they state is dedicated to “the many strong women in my life that made me become the better person I am today”, with stand out cuts like Out Like a Light and Nothing to See Here as well as cut that is a nod to a former home town – Charlotte.

While in the tour van across two States on America, this feature chat with them was had….

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IMAGE CREDIT: Mishka Kornai – SOURCE: Facebook

Background: For a while I’ve been distant to music, which is weird place to be when sharing yarns with musicians and new releases of – but on listening to Molly Drag’s ‘Touchstone’ was reminded what in sounds that both ignite and how those same flames soothes. Was great to have time on the line with Michael (the artist behind the moniker) for this chat and know – with their will to “surprise” – more cool music in on the way. The vinyl of this release is on high rotation in the studio and providing well needed comfort as the year begins to eclipse.

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[Radio Production – notes: Molly Drag chat takes the full episode – tracks to play, suggest Charlotte off Touchstone – though there may be a newer track available in December]

CREDITS

Theme/Music: Martin Kennedy and All India Radio   

Web-design/tech: Steve Davis

Voice: Tammy Weller  

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TRANSCRIPT

First version provided by REV team member Sharon S – check to audio before quoting wider

John Murch: Joining us on their tour from Washington, DC Molly Drag’s Michael, welcome to radionotes.

Molly Drag: Hello.

John Murch: Currently in the touring van, the vibe of this current tour.

Molly Drag: I wanted to do this tour in the fall because I feel… The band that I’m touring with, Past Life, they’re from Philadelphia and this is my third tour with them and I think everyone we did before was in the summer. It was really hot and I don’t really deal well with the heat so I wanted to do it in the fall. So it’s really nice because we can kind of see the trees and leaves, they change in colour as we get more into the tour. We started in Philly, we were in Baltimore last night, and tonight we’re in DC. So I guess we’re kind of going, we’re going down south. What’s the most south we’re going to be?

Speaker 3: New Orleans.

Molly Drag: New Orleans is going to be the most south. And then we’re coming back and we end it in New York November 1st. So we’re playing I think 24, 25 shows, something like that.

John Murch: Is there a differentiation between the live and the recorded for Molly Drag?

Molly Drag: I feel we probably play them a little bit heavier than the records, a little bit more emotive kind of thing. I’m not playing acoustic guitar, I’m playing electric guitar. So yeah, I guess it just gets a little heavier kind of what Elliott Smith used to do and he would tour for XO. He would play all of these acoustic songs on electric, turned up pretty high with a full band and he’s one of my biggest influences. So I guess it’s just heavier than what it is on the record.

John Murch: Speaking about other artists, how did Aaron of Fog Lake change your life?

Molly Drag: Well, I was really into his music, Aaron, when I was going through a pretty rough time. And I ended up reaching out to him. I had another project at the time that it wasn’t going really well. It was another band that I wasn’t feeling good about. We started talking a lot over Tumblr and I sent him some demos of stuff I was working on just by myself, on my girlfriend’s, or well, my girlfriend at that time, her lap top. And he was like, “You should quit your band and you should be focusing most on this project.” So basically if he didn’t kind of push me in that realm, this project probably wouldn’t really exist or it’d be under a different name. I’ve known Aaron now for eight years. I’ve toured in his band, every instrument in his band. I’ve been on five tours with Fog Lake. One of them was a month long tour in Europe. Yeah, he’s one of my best friends.

John Murch: Can we go a little bit further back because the second single of Touchstone is called Charlotte. That very song touches on that idea of returning home. What was growing up like in the home town?

Molly Drag: I’m from a pretty small town where a lot of my friends, close friends kind of never really left and that remain there. And I mean drugs, alcohol, and pretty prevalent there. And all of my friends growing up where it had divorced parents. When we were younger, we would just try to stay out of our houses as much as possible. So I just kind of walks, like the lyrics, “The walks at night have seemed to do you good.” It’s basically really, it was like place where you just kind of wanted to get out from, but also you kind of feel you’re stuck in it because it creates a safe atmosphere because you’re used to it and you know it.

John Murch: When did you first engage with the skateboard?

Molly Drag: When I was probably 12, 12. When did I get serious about it? When I was about 14, 15 and I worked at a skate shop for a bit. I don’t skateboard that much anymore because I had a pretty bad injury a couple of years ago.

John Murch: Was that an escape from what was happening in the home life?

Molly Drag: Yeah, no exactly it was music there. I really tried listening to from skate videos. I first found out about Molly, my bloody Valentine from a skate video. And I found out about Elliott Smith Dinosaur Jr. So yeah, they’re kind of influential in that way. And then all my friends started getting a lot better at skateboarding than me and I kind of needed something else to do. And at that time my mum bought me a keyboard, so I just started learning how to play Elliott Smith songs and eventually bought a guitar and then downloaded a program called Audacity. So I would just make demos and I would just record a guitar or lead and then put it in reverse and be like, “What the hell? How’d I like? I didn’t know you can do stuff like this.” But that’s how the Beatles did it, whatever.

John Murch: What’s been the progression over the five albums for you?

Molly Drag: Personally? I feel lyrically more brighter, maybe not as dark or recording wise too. I’ve always kind of had a really simple setup of just one microphone and one interface with two plugins so I can only really do two things at a time. But now I changed it up now where when I do drums and pianos, I go to a rehearsal space just so I can kind of get a better acoustic or whatever. I’m not really good with gear. I’m kind of just using what I have and how I know how to use it. I use Garage Band to record. I don’t see myself ever using anything else just because I know how to use it. I’ve tried to use other things. I just like, “It’s just going to take me too long to learn it.” So I’m comfortable with Garage Band at the moment.

John Murch: Michael, what do you use for the songwriting process? Are you a pen and paper or a keyboard kind of guy?

Molly Drag: I do pen and paper, but I do notes on my phone too. Do a lot of writing when I’m going for… I go for really long walks. There’s a mountain in Montreal, it’s called Mount Royal and it’s really beautiful. And I go up walks there and y’know write certain things once in a while. Sometimes I like to write short stories and I’ll take stanzas from those. Jackson Pollock it a little bit.

John Murch: What’s the most inspiring thing you’ve seen during those walks?

Molly Drag: Well there’s this cemetery at the very top of the mountain that’s super old. It’s over a hundred years old. I don’t know. I always kind of going up there because it’s just, I can’t believe they brought bodies all the way up here to bury them.

John Murch: That’s probably for some cultural reason. Is that the case so that the dead can look over?

Molly Drag: Yes, exactly. There’s a big cross up there. I think it was Jesuit priests and stuff like that. The Jesuits that came over from France first colonialized that area of Montreal. The nature’s really good up there. There’s a big creek pond type of thing that’s really cool.

John Murch: You’ve dedicated this record to the women in your life. Who has been the most influential woman in your life?

Molly Drag: Probably my mom. I lived with my mom most of the most of my life. I didn’t see my dad very much. She just super tough. She’s just really, she’s very emotional and I get that from her and she’s just a great, great lady. She loves music. She loves to sing. So I feel I get a lot of that from her.

John Murch: What’s your earliest memory of your mother’s singing either in the house or to you?

Molly Drag: Probably singing, she was really into R&B and singing Mary J. Blige and stuff.

John Murch: The cover of the record’s been done by your art teacher. How did that come about?

Molly Drag: Her name is Ila Kellerman. She was my art teacher for four years. She always listened to Van Morrison in the class during it. And she kind of let me get away with not really doing the projects I was supposed to do. She would assign something like, “Oh, you can only use charcoal,” or whatever and I would use pastels and she would still grade it. My last semester of art class I kind of was skipping a lot. I was smoking a lot of marijuana around that time. And I would skip a lot of classes but she still passed me when I knew that I shouldn’t pass that class. But yeah, she’s retired now from teaching and we kind of just started emailing. And I asked her if I could use one of her paintings as a record cover and then she was telling me how I was always one of her touchstone students and that really just, that word just kind of hit me. I forgot that word existed and I instantly knew like, “Okay, that’s what I want to call the record.”

John Murch: Have you had many touchstone people in your life?

Molly Drag: Yeah, most of them women. My grandmother who I lived with in high school, my mother, my art teacher. My longest relationship inspired, she sang. Her name is Emily. She sang on the first three Molly Drag records. I mean there’s a lot of men in my life too that are influential, but I’ve always been more in feminine and I’ve always had more friends that were women than men.

John Murch: Do you find comfort in that in any way?

Molly Drag: Yeah, I mean definitely. I definitely do. You can always bring up Freud and he was kind of nuts, but he did have some points. He didn’t make some points.

John Murch: Here on radionotes, let’s rejoin Molly Drag on the road. Last time we spoke to them they were in Washington, DC, I believe. They’re now heading towards Charlottesville, Virginia. Michael, welcome back-

Molly Drag: Yeah.

John Murch: … to radionotes.

Molly Drag: Hello.

John Murch: How was last night?

Molly Drag: Last night was great. It was a blast. It was a good show. I was at record stores. I got to leave some of my records on the shelf there. Good food, vegan food. I’m vegan, so that was sick, accommodating. We’re also playing at a vegan soup place today that has soup, so I’m really excited to get some soup.

John Murch: That looks really interesting. What kind of soup are we talking about?

Molly Drag: Well, it’s probably autumn-based stuff. I think it’s probably going to be butternut squash soup. Maybe some carrot soup, maybe some tomato basil soup, some soup soup.

John Murch: You mentioned that you dropped some records off at the record store. We should mention that you’re out on EggHunt Records label for those that are looking to find the album. How’s that been and what was the signing up to a record like EggHunt like for you?

Molly Drag: Well, I think I’ve submitted my music to them for the last couple of years and Adam, the owner of the label is, he does it on a pretty small scale. He only works with one or two bands a year. I’m the second Canadian artist he’s worked with. It’s my first time having kind of a team of people that, like a social media person. Even though I do most of that, a tour publicist or a booking agent. So he supplied me with all of that. But he’s a doctor, so he started this label kind of as a passion project because he used to be in a post-punk band when he was younger. And after he went to medical school and everything and he had his life together, I guess he just wanted to start a record label originally for bands in Richmond, Virginia, where he lives. And then he kind of just started branching out new artists and stuff. It’s definitely really cool.

John Murch: I noticed also on the label Pearla is another pearl of an artist. Have you had a chance to meet some of the other artists who are on the label?

Molly Drag: I actually haven’t yet, but I will because my last tour I wasn’t on EggHunt, so but I will be because now the next three shows are all in Virginia. So I’m going to probably be meeting a few artists that are on the same label, which will be cool. Pearla’s music is awesome. I really like her new album. She’s super talented. I definitely recommend giving the album a full listen for sure.

John Murch: Your previous albums were self-curated, produced, recorded to remain honest. Is that still the case?

Molly Drag: For the most part, but now I’m just a bit of a control freak kind of so, but now on Touchstone on the song Nothing To See Here, my friend Ryan ended up playing drums on it because I couldn’t quite do the fluttery snare thing when you hold the drum stick really lightly and it kind of flutters. I can’t do that. Then I wanted that on there so he did it. When I know that I’m not capable of doing it or someone can do it much better than me.

John Murch: Did you try to-

Molly Drag: I feel like… Did I try it? Yeah, I tried it. I tried to 10 times and then I just got really upset and I was just like, “No, can’t do it.” You Ryan, and he did it first take. He just sat down and nailed it. I feel I’m a lot more open. I’m going to be having more other people on my records as I go on. On the song Out Like a Light my friend Austin from the band Pottery, he plays sitar on it.

John Murch: Can you give us an idea of then the divvy up when it comes to performing the music live as a five pace?

Molly Drag: I’m pretty open to improvisation as long as we stay in the general realm of the song length changes. I’m lucky enough to have a lot of friends who are all talented musicians. And I’ve been with the guys in Past Life, they’re definitely much more talented and in musical theory and just performing music than I am. So I just kind of let them do what they want. I kind of want it to be a cathartic thing for everybody involved in it. So it’s like you’re kind of, the song is kind of what’s in charge and as long as you follow that gracefully, then I’m pretty much happy.

John Murch: Last night you got to share the stage with what you’ve called at least in the last 24 hours. And of course that could change by time of release, but one of your fave bands at the moment. Knife Wife. Well, who are Knife Wife and what was so good about them?

Molly Drag: Oh yeah, you saw that? Dude, Knife Wife are sick, man. I’m wearing a Knife Wife shirt right now. They’re so good. They’re just, they really remind me of the fall. She has really dark, really nasty cords in floor tom snare beats about an empty space post-punk.

John Murch: How were the lyrics coming across?

Molly Drag: Captivating but almost kind of disturbing lyrics too. There’s a lyric Nico said, it’s talking, like the whole song’s about finding a dead dog in a freezer. I was just like, “Damn.” There’s definitely the best band I’ve seen live in a while. They’re very new. So the two Ruby and Nico, they’re both 17 and their drummer is 24 and they met at a show. Yeah. So they’ve been playing music maybe for a couple of years, but they don’t have a lot of music out, but I know they’re working on something at the moment. I want them to sing on my next record. I think it’d be really cool to have them do that.

John Murch: You’ve got something in mind, haven’t you, for that sixth record in terms of collaborating a bit more?

Molly Drag: Oh yeah, definitely. And it’s already started. I’m probably 88 to 90% done another record now.

John Murch: This morning you tweeted, “In dreams, I’m moving through heavier water.” Are you starting to feel some of those emotions even though you’re on the road or were you being reflective to a time when that was the case?

Molly Drag: Oh, that tweet from this morning. That’s a grouper lyric, a musician, Liz Harris. I’ve been obsessed with her music since I was 17. The song is called Heavy Water. I was just listening to it this morning thinking about stuff and I was like, “Aw man, I’m going to tweet that.” But maybe there’s a deeper meaning in there that I feel.

John Murch: You mentioned in our first part of the chat that you are a bit of a fan of the late great Elliott Smith.

Molly Drag: I first heard about his music when I first saw the movie Goodwill Hunting when I was a kid and then had Dial Up in edit at the time and I just searched up Goodwill Hunting Music and I saw that he did the whole soundtrack for it. And then I just got really obsessed with them. I think there was a point in my life where all I was listening to Elliott Smith and Anti-Flag.

John Murch: You can learn a lot from those two artists.

Molly Drag: Oh, I agree. I totally agree.

John Murch: What bands are informing the music that you’re writing?

Molly Drag: Right now I’m really into this guy from Sweden. He’s a techno musician called The Field. It’s really kind of dreamy dream poppy techno. I listen a lot of that. I’ve been listening to a lot of Caribou. He just released a song for the first time in five years.

John Murch: How are these artists do you think influencing the sixth record and the making thereof?

Molly Drag: Oh, my next record has a lot more, well the one I’m working on now has a lot more electronic IDM and techno influences for sure. Kind of want to change it up a little bit on this next one. I kind of want to have some fun with it because I tend to get bored if I feel I’m pigeonholing myself into some place.

John Murch: Will it still-

Molly Drag: I like surprising people.

John Murch: Will it still have the same emotive delivery or will that itself be a surprise from the sounds of-

Molly Drag: I don’t think I can really write anything without having, I think that’s why I write music anyway. So I think it’s always going to have that cathartic element to it.

John Murch: Michael, what are you reading at the moment?

Molly Drag: A friend of mine just released a book called Drone. It’s a book of poetry and he just got them published and printed before I left. So he gave me a copy of that. So that’s the only thing I have with me at the moment.

John Murch: Do you relate to the poetry scene back at home?

Molly Drag: No, not really. Not too much, no. I don’t really go to shows that much either. I’m pretty reclusive when I’m at home. Not like I don’t like going to shows or I don’t support music. I’m not a big social gatherer person. I’d rather just be with three people sharing a bottle of wine or something rather than go to a show.

John Murch: Talk to me about when you met Heather O’Neill.

Molly Drag: Oh, you do your research. Oh, man. Well, I read her book in grade 11. It’s called Lullabies for Little Criminals. It was really, I had to read it. It was a part of our curriculum and it really changed my life. I even had a song on my first record called Little Criminal, and it’s about that book. And when I moved to Montreal, I realized that she lives in Montreal. So one night, I think I was kind of drunk. I just tweeted at her the song like, “I wrote a song about your book.” And then she DM’d me the next morning. She was like, “Hey, I’m releasing a new book. I will have a copy for you. Would you like to come? Where would you like to go and have a cup of coffee with me?” So we went to a cafe near my house and we sat for an hour or so, had a really good conversation. It was pretty crazy. It was crazy too because people kept looking over at her. She’s pretty famous in Montreal, so it was, yeah, it was funny. So bizarre. Really random. I was really nervous.

John Murch: She’s more than a triple threat. She’s a poet, a journalist, and a screenwriter, as well as the novelist.

Molly Drag: Exactly, yes. She’s very active and she’s very moving with her words. Her reviews on stuff. I remember she was telling me that she went to Dubai to do a journalism thing about design. I read her article just about things I wasn’t even interested in and I was just like, “Oh, your way with words are incredible.” The way that someone can make something. I think she could write about dirt or something and I’d probably cry or something.

John Murch: Her latest book is called The Lonely Hearts Hotel from memory.

Molly Drag: That book is really beautiful. It’s really sad. It’s a really heavy one and it all takes place in Montreal. So she’s really descriptive of areas and neighborhoods of Montreal. There’s definitely similarities to Lullabies for Little Criminals, except that I think it’s a little bit more for a mature audience. It deals with pretty traumatic things of ape and abuse and stuff. And it’s from the first chapter it gets, it’s just dives right into it. It’s a beautiful book though. I highly recommend it if you’re in a good place that you can handle reading that because some people can’t. So-

John Murch: What was the school experience like for you?

Molly Drag: Yeah, I wasn’t really involved in much. I mean I did fine in school but I wasn’t involved in anything extracurricular or… And I regret that too. I regret not doing drama. I’d go there and do my work and I just really wanted to just go home or hang out with my friends after. I just had a small group of friends really. I still talk to three of my high school group pretty well. Two of them drove up to Montreal for my record release show last week, which was crazy. They rented a car and drove nine hours to come see me. I mean this past record release was probably the most beautiful release I’ve had just in terms of people saying stuff and my whole, the old restaurant I worked at, the entire staff came. A lot of musicians that I love came out. Just a lot of love. Feel most supported I’ve ever felt in my life tenfold right now. I just feel I have a lot of people making sure I don’t get super self-deprecative or anything, kind of stay on beam. So my best friend Liam always tells me to stay on beam.

John Murch: People may interpret from the music that you might be one type of personality and that may be within you, but you’re actually got another side for the audience as well. How should an audience react when they see you in the street, for example?

Molly Drag: Yeah, I don’t know. I feel I have… I don’t know, I just grew up in a small town skateboarding and breaking into abandoned houses and stuff. I’m just pretty much a joker at heart, but I can tell sometimes if people approach me at shows that have listened to my music that they feel maybe they have to be a little bit more careful or something. And when it’s just like, “Nah, it’s all good, don’t worry.”

John Murch: Where do you find your fun?

Molly Drag: I like dancing a lot. I like cooking a lot. I like cooking for other people. I like to smoke marijuana. That’s fun.

John Murch: Because it’s now legal to do so in your country. How’s that going? Is there a different vibe to smoking the grain back home these days?

Molly Drag: It’s good to know exactly what you’re smoking. So there’s this place in Montreal called the SQDC, and it’s a government place. It looks just like an Apple store. It’s super bougie. Then you go in and there’s indica, sativa, or hybrid. There’s oils, there’s edibles, there’s all sorts of things. It’s good because for me I can only really smoke a few type of strains that don’t make me kind of anxious. I can’t smoke sativa because it makes me really too introspective. I don’t really want to get like that. I’m more of a nighttime smoker. I smoke weed after I eat dinner and when I’m laying around watching a movie or something.

John Murch: And does it heighten the performance abilities for you as a singer songwriter?

Molly Drag: Not live. I can’t smoke weed before I play live. No, I can’t do that. But I smoke weed when I’m recording for sure. Definitely during the writing process too, because it just makes you do things that you just wouldn’t think about it. Just kind of these, kind of noodled around on a piano or a guitar and you’re like, “Aw, it sounds cool.” It’s just kind of baked. But sometimes though you’ll listen to what you did the next day and you’d be like, “Oh no, I smoked too much weed.”

John Murch: What things do you do to actually keep healthy?

Molly Drag: My diet, I went vegetarian when I was 18 so that was 10 years ago.

John Murch: Was that very much when you turned 18?

Molly Drag: Yeah, my grandma didn’t really let me really let me until I was 18 to go vegetarian. And then she started buying different groceries. Basically it was a lot of peanut butter. I would go through two kilograms of peanut butter in a week just smoking weed and eating peanut butter. Oh, what else? I take contrast showers. I go from really hot to really cold. The person that I’m seeing right now thinks I’m nuts for doing that, but I’ve just been doing it for a long time. So it’s a shock to your system in the morning. So I usually end my showers with five minutes of the coldest I can handle and it shocks me.

John Murch: I think you said recently you’re the happiest you’ve been in about three years or so. Is that the case?

Molly Drag: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I kind of fell in love with somebody recently, so that’s good. Everything’s kind of seems like it’s really leveled and copacetic in my life and all the areas in my life. I have a job that I like in a big van with friends that I like, that I don’t get to see all the time. So it’s nice to spend time with them. Yeah, no, everything’s really going good. I feel healthy.

John Murch: And in any way is that going to hinder the songwriting process? Is happiness any sort of road block?

Molly Drag: I do want to take a little break from shows after this tour for a while over the winter. Just get this other record finished and I don’t know, I don’t think it’s going to hinder it because I still… Everybody has down days. You know what I mean? I don’t turn on my iMac to be like, “All right, Michael, get sad. Do this.” I don’t do that. It’s like an aura kind of thing. If I’m feeling a certain way. I’m going to start making music with the person that I’m seeing too. Because she’s a DJ and makes music. So we’re going to start a cool project together. It’s probably going to be techno. I’m really excited to do that because I’m almost done this other record and then I want to start making music with her. And then we’re going to start, do a couple DJ performances. She’s teaching me how to run DJ programs because I’d never done it before, mashing stuff and it’s really fun. And she’s really good at it. That’s a new thing to learn. I love learning things. I like listening.

John Murch: What do you like about them or what do you like doing with them?

Molly Drag: Before I left for tour, we made this huge… She’s celiac. So I’m vegan and she’s celiac. She can’t eat gluten. So that’s an interesting diet dynamic. But we made this awesome Italian dinner with gluten free pasta and eggplant and mushrooms and arugula and big salad, some gluten-free ciabatta and we watched a bunch of romcoms together. I don’t think it really matters what I’m doing with her. I just like being around her.

John Murch: Now you work at a restaurant. What’s the top dish firstly at your restaurant?

Molly Drag: I work at a balmy restaurant. We have a lot of vegan items. I make the soups in the winter. I’m the soup guy.

John Murch: What is the fave soup when you’re in charge?

Molly Drag: My most popular soup, all our soups are vegan as well. My most most popular soup at my work and my boss messaged me the other day and said, people are kind of complaining that it’s not the bare. Because I make a minestrone soup or minestrone with butternut squash, white kidney beans, spinach, tomatoes, and then we put some soba noodles in it, which is a buckwheat noodles, a dark noodle. It’s good. It’s really hardy and I put a lot of good olive oil in it so it’s got fattiness to it.

John Murch: What meal do you like making for those that you’re head over heels?

Molly Drag: I made her a really good chick pea salad the other day. I did it five minutes and she was just giving me the craziest eyes like, “How’d you do this in five minutes?” And I was like, “I’ve been working in kitchen since I was 14. I can do shit.”

John Murch: You’ve been working in kitchens for 14 years?

Molly Drag: Yeah, I got my first job was at a restaurant in Midland called Mom’s. It was a breakfast restaurant.

John Murch: What gives you joy in actually being in a kitchen and preparing a vegan meal?

Molly Drag: Probably Pad Thai because it’s a very specific process in making Pad Thai. Especially adding the ginger and garlic and oil in the pan and waiting until it gets dark brown and then right before you add your carrots and stuff, you got to throw in a bunch of dried chili flakes and then the smell just hits you. And then you just add everything else and it’s just makes it, a Pad Thai. I got to get some Pad Thai somewhere. I don’t know if that’s the Virginia thing, but I’m getting some Pad Thai.

 

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