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Emily Hatton digs puzzles, grew up by the sea and has (fun fact) a sassy rabbit called Popcorn. As well, musically released three solid Singles… with more on the way.

Hatton has also recently toured with Eight Second Ride and here you can hear her chat with John Murch of radionotes…

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Singles from Emily Hatton include Smoke and Mirrors, Hades and Maybe. She is truely a great artist on the rise and sang some tunes for the show, to.

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Feature Guest: Emily Hatton

Songs Performed LIVE for radionotes: Maybe and Hades

[Added September 2020] New Single: Why’d You Have to?

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John Murch: Em, welcome to radionotes.

Emily Hatton: Oh hey, how you going?

John Murch: Where does “Maybe” sit in terms of your musical releases?

Emily Hatton: Well, “Maybe” was a song that was more of my emotional, just output. I just poured everything out into this song, because my head was just going in one of those vicious cycles, where you’re not really sure what to think and I put it all out on paper.

Emily Hatton: I took it to my friend, Michael Solita and it ended up being really the best co-write I’ve ever written. It just really worked because Michael’s really great at coming up with melody, because that’s what I was stuck on at the time.

John Murch: What’s Michael’s background?

Emily Hatton: We went to the same academy for a little bit. He was a teacher. He now is part of the NSAI, he’s a member of the Nashville Songwriter’s Association International. He’s a wonderful songwriter and he’s just building his name there at the moment.

John Murch: Can you talk to us about the idea of a song, particularly songwriting being a puzzle, one that excites the brain for you?

Emily Hatton: Oh, that’s a great analogy, because I do love puzzles. Songwriting for me is definitely either a jigsaw puzzle or a crossword puzzle. You have a few words here and there, and they might just be thoughts and they might not even rhyme, but you just do this word dump, a brain dump onto a page. Then it’s slowly about putting all the pieces together and then you might have just a verse, or it’ll just be the end of the chorus. Then it’ll just click into place all of a sudden and you’ll go, “Oh. Oh, that’s the bridge from this place to that place.” Then before you know it you’ve got this complete puzzle.

John Murch: Are all the words in your head? Or do you sometimes just see them as you’re passing by? Fish and chip. Right, I need that in the song. Where do these words come from?

Emily Hatton: My words definitely come from my own brain. Lyrics has just always been something that I’ve done. I used to be a poet, I guess, before I added music to the words. It comes from what I’m feeling and it’s definitely a lot easier to write lyrics, when I’m feeling that feeling, in that moment. With “Maybe” in particular, it was my brain dump. Then Michael started with most of the melody and the chords, and then once we had that general bone structure of the song from start to finish, I filled in the rest of the gaps.

John Murch: “Maybe” is a huge team effort or at least that of three, because Michael, in terms of songwriting and melody we’re hearing there, but a guy called Troy Kemp-

Emily Hatton: Done a couple of gigs together and he’s been in the business for, I don’t know, some crazy amount of time like 20 years. So, he knows what he’s doing. I just love his tone of voice, and I just heard this song as a duet, because I’d been singing it and practicing it with Michael. So, I just always had the male vocal in my head and I always had the male harmony. So, I just reached out to Troy and I was like, “Hey, do you want to be part of my song?” And he said, “Yeah, for sure. I’m in.” That was it.

John Murch: Is it also a sense that “Maybe” was very much a dialogue song about working through those issues?

Emily Hatton: Well, “Maybe” was definitely mostly from my point of view and it was everything that I had wished I’d been able to say to the particular person. Inclusion of the male perspective was me hoping and wishing that the other person was feeling the same way and thinking about me too. Whether he was or not, it was me playing out my own story, the way that I had wanted it to go.

John Murch: Are “Hades” “Smoke and Mirrors” and “Maybe” a trio of songs for one? Or are they a trio of separate songs for different people?

Emily Hatton: They’re very much about different people, over different years as well. I think something that not many people know about “Smoke and Mirrors” is it’s not actually about a romantic relationship. It’s about someone who I almost was associated with, but then was warned about by multiple people. And so I decided to keep my distance and then I also wrote it partially for my family, who was going through a really big thing at the time. I just wanted to tell them that it’s… because they lost a whole bunch of money, and I wanted them to know that their worth is not at all in their money. That’s the line, “My treasure ain’t all silver and gold.” That’s what that means.

John Murch: Another line from that Em is, “Robbing cowgirls blind.” That hit me very hard. I’ve seen those kind of snake oil type people. Not saying the person you were singing about is, but I’ve seen snake oil type people using the charm and beauty of a young singer to push them forward, and it hurts, seeing that first hand.

Emily Hatton: Wow. I love how you just, yeah. Figured that out. Not many people have just gone in and completely analysed one particular line. Good on you. That’s yeah, that’s really cool actually. Yeah, and Hades, it was about me wanting to walk away from a bad situation, and tell myself that it was okay to walk away and not look behind. I think one of my favorite things about that release is, it actually helped many people because people have reached out to me and just said, “It helped me through my divorce and things like that.” I was just so happy and honored that I could impact someone’s life like that, and help someone be so assured in themselves, and their decisions.

John Murch: The song for you was a song of encouragement, self encouragement to walk. Is that true?

Emily Hatton: To walk away from the bad situation and yeah, not be caught up in the past.

John Murch: Which is what we’re doing by talking about it, which brings up the question, how do you feel performing that song? Do you lean into fact that it helps other people and it’s not so much your song anymore?

Emily Hatton: Oh, most definitely. Yeah. I mean, when I first wrote it, it was about me helping myself get through it, and now every time I play, it’s about helping other people.

John Murch: Let’s talk about the past a little bit more, but in a nice way. You grew up by the sea, and in terms of writing, I believe under your grandfather’s apple tree. What was your grandfather’s apple tree all about?

Emily Hatton: I spent a lot of time at my grandfather’s house as a kid, because it was just… It was almost like a daydream, like an escape for me, because he was the best gardener. He just had this massive backyard with every type of fruit tree that you could think of. He just grew pretty much all of his own fruits and vegetables. It was just a place where I could just live in nature and just do what kids do, and explore not only my environment, but my head and my dreams. So, that’s kind of where I sat. I loved climbing. I still climb trees now, just going to admit that. Yeah. So, I’d climb the tree and I’d sit in the tree, and just write poetry. I didn’t really think of it like that back then as a kid. I just kind of thought it as, I don’t know… Just like I was rhyming things, kind of read back over those as an adult and I’ve just thought to myself, “Wow, that’s really cool.” That I had that creative outlet right from the get go.

John Murch: Was there an audience at the time?

Emily Hatton: Oh, there was definitely no audience back then. It was just me getting my feelings out onto paper. I figured out quite quickly that once I did that, I would have a better day. I didn’t have to obsess over things as much in my head about, “Oh, did that really go wrong? Did I say something weird?” Or, “Does that person really think that of me?” Once I had written all that out on paper, it just left my brain and freed me. Freed my mind.

John Murch: Apart from the vegetation and trees. What’s your fondest memory of your grandfather?

Emily Hatton: I really love that question. I guess it’s all tied in together because he’s the one who helped me learn how to garden and just have an appreciation for being able to nurture your own produce like that. I just think that’s so invaluable. Unfortunately, that property has been sold and all of the gardens have been completely ripped out. So, it’s literally just a memory in my brain now. Every time I get something from the supermarket, I think to myself, “Ah. It doesn’t taste like grandfather’s.” Hopefully one day I can make my own garden with that knowledge.

John Murch: The folks, I get the feeling were apart, for a little bit of your childhood. What was that like in terms of developing Em the singer songwriter in terms of the creative elements?

Emily Hatton: They split up when I was one. So, it’s kind of all I’ve ever known. I had two different environments to experience different ways of sorting through things in my head, I guess.

John Murch: My understanding is that, the old man and I probably shouldn’t call him that, was into listening to full records. So, getting the full experience of the musical novel that an album can be, of all different stories put together. Was your mum more about the dancing in the living room?

Emily Hatton: Ah, dad would listen to music just on hours upon hours, for hours upon hours. It was all those really deep, kind of ethereal sounds of the eighties. Sting and The Police and The Wall, just albums as experiences. I guess, I learnt a lot from that. Because a lot of the music released nowadays is singles, short bursts. There’s only so much you can say in three minutes. I definitely formed an appreciation of not only the eighties, but of listening to full albums as a piece of art from my dad. Mum was more of a classical listen. So, she used to listen to all the big names of way back when Mozart and Beethoven, and even my cat loved that music, because he would just sleep in the lounge room. It was kind of the only music that we would play, and he would be just curled up, completely relaxed. So, I think that it definitely has the same sort of effect on humans. That’s why mum liked Classic music, because it’s quite relaxing and yeah, she did teach me how to dance.

John Murch: I want to just ask a little bit more about the dancing in the living room, how much dancing do you do now?

Emily Hatton: I do still dance now. For me it’s like, it’s freedom. It’s somewhat like daydreaming where you can just get lost in the moment. Just moving your body feels good. No matter what you’re doing, whether it’s walking or dancing, or working out. It’s just what our bodies are made to do. It can help free the mind. I usually dance in the morning. I’ll put on songs that really make me want to move and I can get a double win. I can listen to music that I really love and really enjoy, and feel really great afterwards too, because you’re just moving and grooving.

John Murch: Age of five, musical theatre, and then vocal training came around the same time. A very early start to musical theatre?

Emily Hatton: Yeah. I’ve always just been completely immersed in music in many different ways. My mum definitely, as a piano teacher wanted me to experience as much as I could. Musical theatre was one of those things. I think that was my first taste of the stage when I was five and I got on the stage, and I think it was something like Goldilocks and the Three Bears even. But I just remember the audience clapping and cheering, and having those emotional moments of something that I was doing. So, if it was a sad moment or if it was a happy moment, or a funny moment, I had that expression and then seeing their reaction was immediately addictive to me. I was just like, “Oh wow. I can emotionally affect these people.” And that’s just one of my favorite things, is seeing people’s reactions like that.

Emily Hatton: Making them feel things, because they can get caught up in the mundane of a just, on the daily basis, day in, day out. But then you go and… That’s why you go and see a movie, or you go and see a play, or you listen to your favorite music, is because of that emotional stirring, I guess. It makes you feel things. It makes you feel like you’ve gone on a journey and gets you at that heightened state. Yeah, I kind of made that connection from when I was five.

John Murch: We’ll crack into a tune now to give you a bit of a break from the conversation.

Emily Hatton: Sure.

John Murch: Em, what tune would you like to start with today?

Emily Hatton: I can sing “Maybe” for you.

LIVE PERFORMANC…: MAYBE – performed for radionotes

John Murch: Coffee? I was intrigued to find out that you don’t mind a long black.

Emily Hatton: Yeah. I’ll pretty much drink any type of coffee. It’s just always been in my life, as silly as that sounds. I was thinking about it the other day, because I have time to contemplate these things now, and I was just thinking to myself, “Why do I like coffee so much? Oh, it’s the consistency.” It’s something that I can actually rely on every day.

John Murch: Where did the fascination or the enjoyment of coffee start?

Emily Hatton: Oh, definitely my dad. It’s actually quite funny, because I think I was about 12. Just about the age where they recommend not under this age, “Want to have coffee?” So, I remember that my dad was actually quite motivated to get me into coffee. He’s always been into coffee himself and he had a full proper machine, Rancilio, the whole thing. The grinding of the beans. The extraction. The foaming. The whole process. He made me a mocha. He started making mochas for me, because I already loved hot chocolates. He almost tricked me into liking coffee. I want to say, because then he slowly weaned me off the hot chocolate part. Then there was a day where he just made me a coffee and he was like, “So, this is a latte.” I was like, “Oh, this is really yummy.” Then he was like, “Ah, got ya.”

John Murch: Which then intrigues me that you can go from latte, but then to go to long black is a serious commitment.

Emily Hatton: I think the long blacks just came from not being able to access milk at one point, or maybe even being turned off milk. I think it was in America, actually. My family just has long blacks, but they call it something different. I think they call it an Americano over there. So, it started there, but then Melbourne coffee. Yum. So, yeah. It was easy to transition to a long black over here as well.

John Murch: What were you doing in the States?

Emily Hatton: Went to college there. I was on student exchange and yeah. That was for six months and it was honestly six of the best months of my life, because I got to build a world from scratch. I mean, obviously at first that was scary, but I had felt like I’d never really had a fresh start, because I’d always gone to the same school. So, this was the first fresh start for me. Yeah. I was 23, and I just made friends, and then I had this little friendship circle, and I’d never really felt like I belonged anywhere. That was the first time I would just stand there on a random day, where I was completely appreciating everything around me. Just being like, “Wow, I’m super lucky to have experienced this.” And, yeah.

John Murch: So, America is in the last five years or so. How did that accelerate, if it did, the songwriting and musical experience for Em?

Emily Hatton: Ooh, that’s a tough question. I don’t think it significantly impacted on my songwriting or the process of it. I think I was really present when I was there and I maybe wrote one or two songs, but I think I was more absorbed in just experiencing everything that was new, and meeting new people.

John Murch: Sounds like it was a bit of a break from the songwriting process even.

Emily Hatton: Yeah, it actually did end up being that, because you probably have cottoned onto the fact that most of my music is about something that’s… I don’t want to say going wrong in my life, but something that I need to sort through in my head. I have written happy songs. Songs about joy. But I just write more to do with getting things out of my system. I just felt like I didn’t really need to get things out of my system as much, when I was over there.

John Murch: Well, let’s talk about something that’s a little bit more wistful in your entourage of tunes, and that is “Breathless.” How does that fit in?

Emily Hatton: How did you find that? That’s not even released.

John Murch: We were talking about coffee, so I thought it was apt.

Emily Hatton: Oh my God. I can’t believe you found that. I wrote that song, not about an actual situation that was happening to me, but using my daydreaming and hypothetical brain power. Just about what I felt like the ideal relationship would be for me, what it would look like, what it would smell like and taste like. How I would feel if I was just with someone who I could completely be myself around and just the ideal romantic relationship, I guess. Kind of like my wish to the universe that I threw out there.

John Murch: Wonderful idea, as you mentioned there. But particularly talking about coffee is that, the taste of a relationship, how you can have a coffee and know that you feel comfortable in drinking your coffee, in being in a relationship and most importantly, being yourself.

Emily Hatton: I love how you drew a comparison between drinking coffee and being yourself. That’s awesome.

John Murch: How are the two not related?

Emily Hatton: I love that so much. And actually I did, I threw that into “Maybe” for that exact reason that you were just talking about, “A strong cappuccino.” I think the initial lyric was something like, “I’d drink my coffee without my milk now, because it reminds me of you” Or something like that. So, that goes to show how much lyrics can be condensed into a couple of words too. But that was kind of the idea around me putting that in the song, because when I met this particular person, I walked into the cafe and I ordered a strong cappuccino. Then there was a time there, where I couldn’t drink cappuccinos, because it reminded me too much of all those memories.

John Murch: It’s the same reason why I still don’t have marshmallows in my hot chocolate.

Emily Hatton: Aww.

John Murch: And that was 1990. Would it be too much to get a couple of licks of “Breathless”?

Emily Hatton: Oh sure. I mean, I can play the chorus. I haven’t played it for so long. Yeah. I’ll just do the chorus.

LIVE PERFORMANC…: BREATHLESS (the chorus, of) – LIVE for radionotes

Emily Hatton: There you go.

John Murch: That’s a little bit of “Breathless.” An unreleased tune by Emily Hatton, who joins us on radionotes today. Thank you for sharing that.

Emily Hatton: Oh, my pleasure.

John Murch: It’s going to be a great song when it comes out as well. You don’t think so?

Emily Hatton: I’ve just written so many songs that, you know you can’t release them all. It’s just one of the many in my bank that I don’t know if I’ll release that one. I mean, I’ve actually had a request to release that song, because someone found the demo and she said that she actually played the demo at her wedding. She said, “Well, my 200 guests seemed to enjoy it. So, I’m more than happy to contribute to it being released one day.” That blew me away. You know?

John Murch: Let’s talk about your athletic ability of Em. Are you the sporty spice of the country world?

Emily Hatton: I actually love any sort of fitness. I never used to be that sporty person at school. In fact, I hated it. I hated any type of exercise.

John Murch: Well, let’s get into the depths to that. Well, what was it about sport and fitness you didn’t like?

Emily Hatton: I think it was just being puffed out and that feeling of, if you’re actually increasing your fitness, what that feels like as a teenager, it was just like, “Oh, it’s too hard.” Something just changed. I think I was walking up a set of stairs at university one day and I was out of breath. I thought to myself, “Ah. I don’t know much about fitness, but surely that’s not right. Surely, you shouldn’t be out of breath after walking up one set of stairs.” So, I just made it my mission to increase my fitness a little bit. Then next thing I knew, I was doing pilates and kettlebell five times a week. Yeah, I actually got really into it, and for me it was a sense of community as well. I really loved working out because of the group classes and getting to know the people who came to the same classes week in, week out.

Emily Hatton: I found what was most helpful about exercise for me, was translating my mindset from working out to just everyday life. What I mean by that is, if you’re working out, you have this thing where you just go, “Okay, 10 more seconds.” Or, “Just two more.” Whatever it is, “Sit ups. Just a little bit more. Just a little bit more.” And that’s where you grow. Then I would take that into my everyday life and I’d be like, “Ah, I’ll just do 10 more minutes of this assignment.” Or, “Oh, if I can just push through this one bit of writer’s block.” Then I found that was actually really helpful to achieving things on an everyday basis.

John Murch: Did the idea of running give you a chance to clear your head through all the ideas that you might have been having at the time?

Emily Hatton: Yes. I definitely find it helpful, because it gets your blood flowing, and when your bloods flowing, your brain works better. So, if I was stuck on a song, I would go for a run. Yeah, sometimes that just made me have an idea that I hadn’t had before. Or I would be listening back to a voice memo with my little half completed puzzle of a song, and all of a sudden, just boom, there would be another piece, just from simply, just being in a different environment. Feeling a different material under your feet. Sometimes I would be running and singing at the same time. For some reason that was helpful for me and I’d say completely random things, but then that would help me get to the actual lyrics that I wanted to put in the song.

John Murch: How good a runner are you?

Emily Hatton: I haven’t been doing it as much lately. My best time was, I think 28 minutes for 5K.

John Murch: Have been doing a bit of a tour, with a bit of a band of late. Ah, who are they?

Emily Hatton: Eight Second Ride. It was a completely random thing. It just kind of fell into my lap. My friend, Jake Sinclair, just reached out to me and said, “Hey, there’s this band Eight Second Ride. They’re looking for an opening act for their tour.” I just reached out to them, and I said, “Hey, I’ll do it.” Pretty much. They said, “Yeah. Great, cool. So, here are the dates.” Next thing I know they were picking me up at the airport in their ginormous renovated school bus, of a tour bus. The leader of the band, Matt, actually just bought this old school bus and turned it into a tour bus. That’s where we lived on the road, and that was the first tour. Then I was lucky enough for them to ask me back for the second tour, which was February this year. That was definitely one of the best times of my life, because I just felt like I was living with family.

Emily Hatton: We got to see a lot of Australia, which I’d never seen before. That was actually on my bucket list. I’d always wanted tour, because I have traveled a lot in my life overseas, and I’d never really traveled Australia and gotten to see Australia. So, I got to see all of Queensland and do what I love at the same time, which is just play many different stages and meet all different types of people. They’re all there for the same thing. We all love music and that’s what brings us together, and that was the best part of the tour for me.

John Murch: Did that tour give you inspiration to maybe have your own band behind you?

Emily Hatton: Oh, definitely. Yeah. That’s next on my list. It’s just been me and my guitar for a while now. I think I’d really love to just have people on the stage with me, because I have played with a band before and it’s just, there’s just a whole other level to it. Everything is just heightened and it’s a really fun experience because you can bounce off other people, and you’re sharing something on stage, and then you’re sharing it out into the audience. It’s just magnified all of the joy and the happiness around it. So, yeah. I definitely would love to do that very soon.

John Murch: Emily Hatton is featured on song called “At All” by Catnip Kaiser. They released back on the 17th of January 2020. It’s pop punk. So, think 5SOS.

Emily Hatton: Yes. My friend Jack, just reached out to me and said, “Hey, we’re looking for a female vocal to have on this track. Would you be keen?” I actually love pop punk. I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned that, but I’m definitely partial to Green Day and Avril Lavigne. And Panic! At The Disco and Set It Off. And all of those types of bands. So-

John Murch: Do you know why that is though?

Emily Hatton: There are some really great lyrics out there in Pop Punk, like amazing lyrics. And it’s just so catchy, their use of melody and the chords, the chord progressions. I just love it, because you can dance to it. That’s definitely one of the things that I dance to. I sang on this track and it was a bunch of fun. We just hung out and I got to do my thing, and they were really happy with it. So, yeah.

John Murch: Let’s get another tune from you.

Emily Hatton: I can sing “Hades.”

John Murch: This is a song from 2018.

LIVE PERFORMANC…: HADES – LIVE perfomace for radionotes

John Murch: It was not till 19 years of age that the guitar made a debut.

Emily Hatton: Yeah, 100% true. I used to play the cello in school and that’s where my fingers on the board and strings started. I also played the piano, since I can remember.

John Murch: When did the cello first enter your life?

Emily Hatton: Grade Two. I was lucky enough to be at a school where we were encouraged to try different instruments and see which one resonated with us. I loved the violin, but then I was really tall as well. So, they told me that they needed more people on the cello. So, I was put on the cello and I ended up really loving it, because I just think it’s one of the most beautiful instruments in the whole world. Just the tone that it has and the emotion that it can add to any piece of music.

Emily Hatton: Then when I was 19 and I started writing songs, I tried on the piano and sometimes it worked, but sometimes it didn’t. I just really wanted a different vehicle to transport the words that I was trying to get out. I really became attached to country music at that age as well, because of my American family. I picked up guitar and I got my friend to show me just four chords. Then I taught the rest of the chords myself. I just learned one new chord every day or something on YouTube, 100% self taught. I think I should actually get some lessons sometime soon.

John Murch: Let’s talk about who and when did Popcorn become part of your life?

Emily Hatton: Popcorn is my rabbit. He came into my life about five years ago now, I think. Come to think of it, which sounds crazy. That’s half a decade.

John Murch: Post or pre America?

Emily Hatton: Post America.

John Murch: Right.

Emily Hatton: Because I had just moved back home and it was quite a difficult transition to leave an entire world that I’d built. An entire life that I built over there. Come back to home and just the everyday. If I’m going to be honest, he was an emotional impulse buy. I wouldn’t recommend that, but he’s just adorable and probably one of the best decisions I ever made. Popcorn’s actually taught me a lot about life, because there’s this one room that he’s not allowed to go into and he knows. As soon as that door’s open, even a crack, he’ll eye it off. Then before you know it, he’ll be gone straight into that room that he’s not allowed to go into. So, he sees an opportunity. He knows it’s fleeting, and he goes for it.

John Murch: What I enjoy about the idea of Popcorn, apart from the fact that they’re called Popcorn, is the fact that you haven’t chosen something conventional. In many ways at the time, probably back then, your musical choice of country may not have been as conventional as well. Has that been a goal or a bonus for you to look at the nonconventional through your music?

Emily Hatton: I think I just tend to gravitate towards the non-conventional. I’ve always just wanted to stand out and be unique, and have my own thing. Or be different to everybody else, because I’ve always felt like I naturally am anyway. I’ve never really felt like I’ve properly belonged somewhere, or fit into a particular group. So, I kind of just ran with that. I started defining everything that was unique about me. An example that I can think of is, when everyone goes left. I want to go right. So, if I see everybody else doing the same thing, it makes me go, “Ooh, okay. How can I take a different angle on this?”

Emily Hatton: So if I’m at the airport, for example. And everybody’s queuing up to get on the plane and there’s that massive long line, I’ll be the person standing at least 10 feet away doing stretches. I guess that kind of translates to my music too. I try to be unique. I’ve had a lot of people say to me, “Hades” Where did that even come from? I don’t think anyone’s ever combined Greek mythology and country before. Just two things that I really love and that fascinate me, and that stimulate my brain. I just put those two things that are uniquely me together.

John Murch: Board games. What’s the number one board game?

Emily Hatton: Oh, Cluedo. I just love Cluedo. I love anything that involves figuring stuff out or problem solving, or murder mysteries are just one of my favorite things ever. Absolutely. Whether it’s a TV show or a board game. I have the Simpsons version of Cluedo, actually. It’s amazing. Got Bart and Marge, and Homer, and Krusty as well. You have to figure out who murdered Mr. Burns, and where, and with what. Whether it was the plutonium rod. Or Bart’s slingshot. That, I get very competitive, I do.

John Murch: Emily Hatton, absolute pleasure to speak with you. Thanks for doing radionotes.

Emily Hatton: Oh, thank you so much for having me, John.